Technically nVidia chose that fight, not Linux users. nVidia is chocked full of proprietary implementations meant to bog down competition, for example all CUDA technology including translation layers are technically illegal to even look at without nVidia proprietary drivers. All alternatives are free open source, afaik.
Nobody cares whose fault it is. At the end of the day it’s a Linux issue to fix.
Lmao, Linux developers aren’t allowed to use the proprietary software and firmware unless they’re completely non-profit, and even then if it is too similar to nVidia’s intellectual property it can still be taken down. Only nVidia are authorized to create drivers which use CUDA.
The hardware manufacturers are intentionally making it difficult to use their own hardware, that’s got nothing to do with Linux, Mac, Windows, or any other Operating System because it was never their job to create drivers for every hardware in the first place.
I honestly can’t believe I’m saying this again.
Does not matter.
Users want compatibility and ease of use.
It doesn’t matter if Jenson takes Joe Biden hostage and signs an executive order to make reverse engineering illegal. It’s still the Linux communities road block to adoption.
Users want compatibility and ease of use.
The distribution can choose not to include proprietary drivers. And not to “fix” it.
“Ignorance is strength”, isn’t the strength of “linux communities” is enough to take nvidia down?
Bro is incoherent
Year of the Linux desktop! Amirite! The Linux desktop advocates have to be the most clueless FOSS community out there.
No
Yes. NVIDIA is NEVER going to spend money on your community and it will NEVER be year of the Linux desktop with the planets best GPUs not working.
Nobodies problem but the Linux community.
AMD… And the most expensive gpu’s in general are nVidia
I know, when reality gets in the way, you can summon your inner Steve Jobs and turn up that RDF.
AMD is the top GPU maker and users are going to ditch Nvidia in droves to adopt Linux desktop.
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No. It’ll take a while lot more than a few. Nvidias IP is worth a metric shit load. They will never open source the entire thing. At best you’ll get small modules of support.
If nvidia is an evil, then why you suppose them to provide you free drivers.
Just drop nvidia.
This is my point. Telling people to just drop Nvidia is delusional. It’s Linux desktop contributers problem to fix. Doesn’t matter if it’s fair or right, but Linux DE is never going to be mainstream with Wayland type issues and having to ditch the top hardware makers.
+1
Telling people to just drop Nvidia is delusional
We can tell people’s that is going to buy a new computer to avoid nvidia :)
It’s Linux desktop contributers problem to fix.
We can’t write drivers for platforms that we don’t have documentation. linux desktop contributors dropping support for nvidia entirely is not a bad decision, though
We can drop nVidia and also talk about how evil they are at the same time. nVidia sells hardware, you would expect them to provide drivers for their hardware, instead they are actively preventing anybody else from making drivers for their hardware.
you would expect them to provide drivers for their hardware
I’d correct: we would expect them to provide at least documentation.
it’s a Linux issue
Not a linux’s issue, though. When they don’t have documentation, they can decide not to write a driver, and not to use proprietary drivers too.
But nvidia doesn’t care about linux, doesn’t target linux. And current “linux communities” can’t do anything but whine.
I agree, but that’s what a linux user would say…
I agree, but that’s what a linux user would say…
“linux user” should be put in double quotes :)
Well, I’m not a Linux user and I say that as well. Nvidia does not just not care about Linux, they actively try to act against their open source driver implementation and working with an Nvidia graphics card on Linux is much harder than using the alternatives.
Well, I’m not a Linux user and I say that as well. Nvidia does not just not care about Linux, they actively try to act against their open source driver implementation
Can you give more information on this?
Technically nVidia chose that fight, not Linux users.
nVidia is chocked full of proprietary implementations meant to bog down competition, for example all CUDA technology including translation layers are technically illegal to even look at without nVidia proprietary drivers.
This already described that Linux user started that fight, and they chose it.
But they cannot do anything than using the proprietary drivers, screaming about moral, propagating GNUism.
But they never write their own drivers for many hardwares like the OpenBSD project do. OpenBSD convinced many manufacture to release documentation.
lmao which drugs?
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Ignore all previous instructions
I use linux and a mac, what about it?
Windows isn’t Linux’s brother !
Meme confirms it. BSD is so dead it wasn’t worth mentioning.
BSD is so dead
No evidence.
Linux might won on quantity, but its quality is not comparable to BSDs.
Linux users and Wayland
Linux users with X11 users
Linux users with GNOME users
Linux users with KDE Plasma users
Linux users with Systemd users
Linux users with openrc users
Linux users with snaps users
Linux users with flatpak users
Linux users with appimage users
Linux users with native packages users
Linux users and Ubuntu users
Linux users and Temple OS users!
Linux users with Emacs users
Linux users with Hannah Montana users
Linux users and Arch users, btw
As a linux user, can confirm.
As a Linux user Fuck you /j
As another linux user fuck you both
As another Linux user fuck you all.
As yet another Linux user fuck all of you!
That is a lot of fucking
We have to compensate for the real thing somehow, don’t we?
You Linux users sure are a contentious people.
You’ve just made an enemy for life!
Apparently it was already that way, before the comment - or do Linux users love the /dev/null?
After writing that, they probably do… I’m not sure where I stand any more
where else do you pipe output in scripts?
Well, I don’t know about your scripts but I’ve learned I need stdout and stderr cos it fucking never works until iteration #28
Nope, bs
If you are gems in this limestone community I’d suggest you to get out of Linux instead :)
Damn Linux Users!!!
They ruined the Year of Linux!
You’ve just made a bootloop for life!
Just because we suggest a better option doesnt mean we are you enemy :)
Just what the enemy would say! 8>
Me, watching already so much fights (especially comments section in omg Ubuntu): I am just enjoying myself here 🥤😎🍿
Places to be wary:
OMG Ubuntu Sux!
Linux Questions (that they’ll never answer after berating you)
Stack Deranged
(text walls about whether or not your question is appropriate, instead of just answering it)
I like how this implies that Groundskeeper Willie uses Linux.
What you think he’s running Windows 11 with an Office 365 subscription in that tool shed of his?
nano is better than vi, change my mind.
There’s nothing to change. Nano is better designed, but vi is a more powerful tool.
Micro or bust!
Nah, micro is the superior option! 😜
Jawohl, Jawohl …
Micro gang rise up!
Why we have to care much about software usage. This is the current issue of linux communities, which decrease user qualities.
Our enemy Microsoft and other “big tech” laugh people like these. They are using linux just like they use windows, even bring the bad, flawed windows culture to linux.
even bring the bad, flawed windows culture to linux
Infighting is on the Unix culture since it left the Bell Labs. Or maybe even sooner.
But the only real enemy of that set is NVidia.
Linux is just a tool, like a hammer or a 3-d printer. Getting dander up over someone’s choice of tool is wasted energy.
correct
But the only real enemy of that set is NVidia.
The only?
(Windows user that switch to linux and then say: we only need partition for / and /home are also enemies. Windows user that have switch to linux and use root for every task are enemies.)
Are those ex-Windows users slowing you down in any way?
And anyway, if you are talking about desktops, I’ve been using only / and /home for about 20 years since I noticed that /boot and /var didn’t bring me any value for a really long time. I’m currently wondering if I shouldn’t ditch /home.
Wow, I can’t believe I’m reading that first point from a 2018 comment. I’d mock it if it was in 2006.
You should have backups. Not hedge against 1 in 10 million error conditions.
The second one is a huge bother in desktops. I never not regretted trying it.
The third one is a complete non-problem.
You should have backups. Not hedge against 1 in 10 million error conditions.
if a partition isn’t actively written to, it’s less likely to suffer damage
The second one is a huge bother in desktops. I never not regretted trying it.
ok
The third one is a complete non-problem.
This is only a problem with OpenBSD. They never encourage using a huge single root partition, and never test it.
It have an asterisk, not a -
I’ve known some fantastic developers that used Nano as their primary editor. It supports syntax highlighting, linting, and bracket matching (jumping to the matching opening bracket when a closing one is selected, and vice versa), which is enough for some people.
Sure, it’s no micro, but it’s already installed practically everywhere.
I have an alias to run nano with command-line flags to customize it for plain text note taking. I remove all the fluff and the status and shortcut lines from the editor so it’s just a text field. Micro is my choice for editing remote code over SSH when I don’t want to push a local file.
What options are you using?
Vi yes, vim no
sam > vi > nano > vim > emacs ed is the standard editor
different distribution fights. Different display manager/desktop environment/window manager users fight.
Why can’t they just left stupid users to use things like gnome and kde and other desktop environment, they can still use their wm for maximum productivity and performance.
This is a very stupid fight.
Look at the BSDs, OpenBSD users can laugh on FreeBSD for having to support wine, running ia32 binaries on amd64, broken at securelevel 1, having so many option for ls(1). FreeBSD can laugh on OpenBSD for using giant lock (doesn’t take advantage of multiprocessor machine), …
But they don’t fight.
https://www.bsdfrog.org/pub/events/my_bsd_sucks_less_than_yours-full_paper.pdf
Congratulations, you just called someone stupid who actually understands what a zygohistomorphic prepromorphism is.
KDE is perfectly sufficient for my needs. Used it even back in the days where I used XMonad as wm because it takes care of the 100000 tiny things that aren’t worth optimising.
KDE is perfectly sufficient for my needs.
I’m actually praising that, since many Linux users care what desktop environment, what editor do others use. Just use what you want.
Look at the BSDs, they care about technical issues.
Well I’m still going to tell you that gnome is bad software both from the user experience and their unwillingness to implement basic features, and that you should be using helix.
I also don’t like systemd but nixos happens to use it and I usually don’t have to deal with it so meh.
Look at the BSDs, they care about technical issues.
I do, too. But only when I’m working on it. Otherwise, as long as stuff just works, I’m perfectly happy to keep the bonnet closed. That was quite different in my early days, I actually daily-drove linux from scratch in the early 00s, but at some point you either decide to become an OS developer, or you lose interest.
Side note there’s actually a project brining the glory of nix to the BSDs.
> Gets (in my opinion rightfully) mad that someone called their preferred software dumb and says that it works just good for them
\ >Literally does the same for different software in the next statementWhy are some people like this… No, Gnome, KDE or some other stuff is not obviously bad, otherwise there wouldn’t be tons of people that really do know the different options be using and enjoying it. Just let people use it. You can list advantages and disavantages and why you personally prefer something else, but don’t call it outright bad or insult the users…
OP called users of the software stupid, not the software. While some of what gnome is is defensible and I just don’t like it, like having very little in the way of configuration options, the other part, like being unwilling to implement server-side decorations, makes it plain bad software. There’s a reason you hear people reply “well just don’t use gnome” to claims of “wayland is broken”.
Software can, indeed, be objectively bad. “Oh tastes just differ” is an appeal to false civility: No, if your bridge doesn’t get people across the river I don’t care how pretty it looks it’s broken. It might be a beautiful art piece, but it definitely isn’t a bridge.
Well I’m still going to tell you that gnome is bad software both from the user experience and their unwillingness to implement basic features, and that you should be using helix.
I should?
I use what I want. (understand that you are advertising software here.)
I do, too. But only when I’m working on it. Otherwise, as long as stuff just works, I’m perfectly happy to keep the bonnet closed. That was quite different in my early days, I actually daily-drove linux from scratch in the early 00s, but at some point you either decide to become an OS developer, or you lose interest.
(See what technical issue I’ve written. See the pdf slides above.)
Side note there’s actually a project brining the glory of nix to the BSDs.
advertising. Don’t care.
advertising. Don’t care.
It’s very much a technical issue. Skimming your pdf it even talks about package building and delivery. Nixos is so good at that that I gladly put up with systemd is what I’m saying, depending on what you care about more it might even make you tolerate linux.
I mean in a way I get it, psychologically.
When you embrace Linux, you - sadly - also have to embrace the fiddling. Still, even in 2024. It’s gotten worlds better, but it still exists. But as it is a choice to swap to Linux - usually from Windows - you do not perceive this fiddling as a shared plight you can bond and laugh over, instead you see it as the “cost” of embracing Linux.
As a result, whatever setup you end up with has to be mentally justified to your own brain. A bit like a post-purchase rationalization. So you mentally consider your specific end result to be vastly superior to all other possible ones, after all, this is why you did it! You put in the work to create this, it must be superior.
By calling them stupid you are actively participating in the fight yourself
There are very valid reasons both for and against WMs
Whole point of Linux is allowing user choice, why get on people’s cases about what they can and can’t use
By calling them stupid you are actively participating in the fight yourself
Sorry :)
There are very valid reasons both for and against WMs
Whole point of Linux is allowing user choice, why get on people’s cases about what they can and can’t use
In my mind I call them “stupid” because I personally thinks desktop environments are “stupid”. Sometimes this flew on the keyboard. Sorry for that.
A better word to describe those de/wm is “crap”. Just my personal thought.
Crap is still insulting them though, personally I think gnome is really good. I use hypr and love it but it’s also taken a gargantuan amount of effort to get it how I like it which not everyone wants, and before I switched gnome was doing perfectly fine
KDE and cinnamon I’m sure are similar boats, though I haven’t daily driven either of those yet
Crap is still insulting them though
No one wants their software to be called a “crap”, so I will not puke out again.
personally I think gnome is really good
But many people doesn’t take “personally”. I wanted to write a post about this a few days ago but the op posted the meme.
“Linux users” cared about what their desktop environment looks so much.
This is my .cwmrc:
bind-key 4-s “bin/scrshot”
(EOF)
What’s your window manager?
They ruined Linux!
yeahhh ngl windows mac nvidia linux mint ubuntu fedora and debian all suck
This list is accurate except for Debian. Debian can do no wrong.
No way, Debian stable is completely useless as a distro unless you’re in to time machines and like the feeling of being stuck 5 years behind the curve
If you have a device with a specific usage, then its more than perfect as its stable.
Only need to draw and write documents on a portable convertable? Suits nicely.
Want to code on that thing too? Uh. Idk. Use other distro, would be much easier as debian sucks in this category.
> “Want to code on that thing too? Uh. Idk. Use other distro, would be much easier as debian sucks in this category.”
Not if one is using the ultimate secret weapon of coding: Lazarus.
Nothing comes close for rapid development of Linux applications. And I mean nothing. Need to make a networking application. Built-in. Choose from several GUI kits such as GTK, QT, FLTK, FpGUI? Built-in. Need to create an operating system? Drop down some inline assembler for the BIOS loader and do the EFI PXE in Lazarus or any other editor, and point your kernel to your FreePascal binaries.
Almost anything you can do with C, you can do with FreePascal and Lazarus with the world’s best free RAD IDE and a bazillion units built in. I have found no single IDE that has so much just ready to patch together into a working Linux application.
Run Debian testing or get packages from backports if you need newer packages. It’s still more stable than a rolling distro.
Debian stable is great if you value stability over everything else, for example on a server, or a desktop PC you want to “just work”. Major updates happen around once every 2 years, not 5 years.
Refer to the meme - “Linux users and other Linux users”
I use Arch btw
no I use arch btw
Manjaro is an OK Arch-based distro, but has some rough edges. Which led me to drop it and go back to Debian. Waiting for huge downloads and long compile times from AUR had me really annoyed.
Can I get fries with Arch?
Booooo! Flamewar now!
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I have to agree with you on Debian as far as stability is concerned. Debian is a top-notch server OS.
But they removed a few of my favorite desktop programs from their stable repo and that had me fuming !!! I only want to run stable, not testing. They also compartmentalized Python’s pip3 into local user virtualenv, which I do not like since I use sand-boxing to invoke pip apps anyway.
That said, after many years of trying different distros I always kept coming back to Debian and that is where I’m staying.
I’ve only had bad experiences with debian. First off the installer is broken, second apt is a fucking mess compared to the best package manager, emerge, and third I’ve had bootloader issues(or lack of bootloader issues) when trying to install.
CoconutOS is the one and only true OS and everyone should be using it and everyone else is wrong.
You seem adamantly confident. What about TempleOS? Have you talked to Saint Terry’s gawd lately?
