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Around the late 14th century in Europe, smaller and portable hand-held cannons were developed, creating in effect the first smooth-bore personal firearm.

They want to complain about the glasses, but all the salient points in the thread have been made, so they went with whatever.

You should probably have an SSD in 2023.

They deorbit very quickly.

you’re the one doing each and every brushstroke, deciding each and every detail as you draw.

Does Photoshop or any digital art not count? I don’t have to have the skill to draw a perfect circle?

good photography takes skill.

So we should artificially handicap the art at the expense of the lesser abled?

Whereas for AI art, all you’re doing is providing instruction to the AI, that then goes on to make all these decisions

Same as clicking a button on a camera at something that just happens to be beautiful. Does it matter if someone next to me is using the same ISO or exposure?

I don’t have to realize the complexity of lighting, shaders, or materials to render a scene in Unreal. I get to utilize the processes that pioneers before me discovered.

I understand the frustrations, but this seems stifling in the same way that cotton-gin-phobes, typewriter-phobes, and computer-phobes wpuld have stifled the ability of the average joe to accomplish something.

To what degree do you consider AI involvement to be the deal-breaker. My phone uses something arbitrarily akin to generative AI to sharpen photos. If I take a photo with my phone of something novel, should I be able to copywrite that photo?

If I use an AI generated image and spend 24 hours manually tweaking and modifying it, do I have a right to copywrite?

If I use an LLM to synthesize an idea that I then use to organically create art, is it lesser art?

It all seems so arbitrary at this point. It’s like a typist in 2005 arguing that digital word processors shouldn’t be used to create copywritable art, as it takes significantly less work.

Do you want to work for a company that will intentionally sabotage themselves? Probably not.

Uh, music is content. Some music has more heart than others, but I wouldn’t say that Target is disgusting because they sell cheap prints and wall art.

People get mad that Steam shows them games. It’s like loading up Netflix, seeing the list of movies, and yelling “look at all of these ads”!

Taking a photo on my phone is literally pointing it at something and pressing a button, yet I own the rights to that.

An argument against the work involved in AI art is fucking stupid, and anybody who makes it is stupid.

Talk about how AI art devalues real art. Talk about how (as it has been popularized), it literally steals from legitimate artists.

The " AI isn’t really work" argument is stupid, and I’m tired of it.

Sure, but I’m a lurker. That’s why I asked if there was a community that has “regular keyboard” posts that have decent discussion instead? Not here to change the sub, it just seems the most appropriate place to find a relevant community.

That’s like saying you can control the sun for a photo because you can predict where it will be at a given time.

You’re the one gatekeeping work. Don’t make a dumb argument against your own dumb argument.

If the argument against AI is that it’s too little work, then Photography neesds to step it’s fucking game up.

If the argument against AI is that irrelevant companies get to profit off of others’ work, then say that. Don’t make stupid arguments.

Edit: Do I have direct control of the LLMs that Samsung uses to sharpen the photos on my phone? Do I not still own them? You’re yelling at clouds.

Sooo… some people need starlink?

I mean, I paid like 8 bucks for the game (or however much it was in the indev version) but it’s still shitty and arbitrary.

There’s a physical difference sure, in that one is way easier to use as it’s just a button you press while looking at something.

Typing one handed? That is not weird in the context of a strange two-part keyboard.

… you’ve never actually made art, have you?

I drew a pony when I was 6? Does that count? Or does gatekeeping art go that far?

See ya in 10 years, friend. We’ll revisit this conversation.

Photographers must have downvoted you. You don’t have to be skilled to take a really good photo. You do have to be skilled to it regularly, though.

Does my camera own my art, and not me?