Totally made up, meant it more as a “this is my ballpark estimation of what their Linux player base would be” - though I agree I worded it poorly. I don’t know what % of Epic Games users would play on Linux if given the chance.
I’m editing my original message, sorry about that!
Here’s a different take, as a game dev:
Epic actual employs quite a few people who work with Linux. The Unreal engine (and even, to a certain degree, editor) has native support for Linux.
The reasons they’re not including Linux support in their store front are two fold:
There aren’t enough pure Linux users to matter, and whatever percentage of their userbase would use Linux isn’t going to be large enough to make a dent[1].
The only serious Linux user base in gaming relates to the Steam Deck, a product that pushes a rival (and the dominant) store front.
While Valve’s move to push Linux gaming is brilliant for us gamers, it also kind of cements us in their camp.
There is absolutely no reason for Epic to support Linux in anyway, and it absolutely supports their bottom line to attack it.
And, no, it isn’t because of any David v. Goliath tale of a little guy standing up to a brute: it’s because a fellow giant has decided to ally itself with Linux, and all of us have - invariably - been shuffled into their camp.
I think the Epic Games Store has a place in this world as a niche storefront with limited visibility but higher access to sales profits as a result of that.
They’ll never grow to the size of Steam, and that’s okay. The largest storefront in the world supports Linux not just on its platform, but by developing tools for everyone that makes Linux gaming viable. That is enough, IMO.
~[1] Edit: I was throwing around a made up 0.1% number earlier to indicate what I thought the number’d be - wasn’t meant to be factual, and was poorly worded, so I removed that.~
I’m very much with you.
Never understood why Plex, a once open source fork of XBMC, was seen as a positive thing when they switched to the closed source, SaaS model.
I also don’t understand the love for Tailscale when Wireguard exists.
But, anyway, the same people who are reacting shocked to Plex can be shocked when Tailscale does the same.
They’ll probably hop on Discord to vent their frustrations before there, too, they find themselves spurred by a company with no clear plan on monetization finding out that offering hosted services at a yearly loss can only exist for so long.
Open source isn’t just about idealogy, it’s about longevity for software that can’t be clearly monetized - harken back to “amazing” services like Keybase that worked great for a few years until their VCs started asking for return of investment.
Use the shit that was made for you, not to exploit you. And if that shit isn’t up to your standard, learn to contribute, or just enjoy the corporate graveyard in which you choose to live.
(so sorry for the pseudo-unhinged rant, but between the recent Win11, Discord controversies - and now, this - I’m just fed up with all the shocked_pikachu.jpg posts I’m seeing on Lemmy)
But as far as I can remember, you can’t administer the rooms in a space as one. Like you need to be invited into each separate room.
Nope, again - I don’t understand who told you this. When you’re creating a room in Matrix you can make it either public, invite only, or only joinable via membership in a specific space.
Here’s a screenshot of the room security interface:
Not saying that you couldn’t add that, I’m saying they don’t seem to want to “do what discord did”. Which is a bummer since the success of discord clearly shows what would be needed.
You are correct in that they “don’t want to do what discord this”: recently (and you can see this in their apps like EleX) they’ve transitioned to looking and acting more like modern mobile chat apps like Signal/WhatsApp/Telegram - a decision I’m assuming they’ve made as most of their funding comes from people who want a replacement for those apps and not Discord.
Regardless, just using a Discord-like client (e.g. Commet) is enough to get the experience you want.
Yeah, all good points - especially the stuff relating to stickers (also, custom emojis).
Still, I’m hoping element gets their shit together and improves the default element apps (also brings Web/Desktop up to par with Mobile).
There’s only one standard, it has no forks. The discussion is about a filtering feature.
A lot of people don’t seem to respect spaces and communities - from my perspective it looks like the devs are currently pivoting to make the official client look and act more like Telegram/Signal/WhatsApp than Discord/IRC.
Your issue is that the dev team of EleX not prioritizing a feature you want.
If anything, this is a strength of an open source ecosystem: someone who agrees with you was able to, months ago, setup a fork that appeals to your work flow.
Try that with Discord, next time!
I also hadn’t used it in a while - used to be very rough around the edges.
Just installed it on my phone, it’s actually pretty usable now!
If you like Discord’s UI, there is a new Matrix client being developed - called Commet.Chat - that is trying to look and feel like Discord.
Might be worth checking out!
It does have that.
A “server” in Matrix is a space. A chat channel is called a room. A space can hold as many rooms as you want.
Fun fact, unlike Discord, a space can even hold other spaces in it!
SchildiChat Next is a mini-fork of Element X with proper spaces support (and some other nice UI additions).
I say mini-fork as it’s basically just EleX with some UI patches - so it follows EleX actively.
Matrix doesn’t have multiple standards, it only has the one? Certain servers expose older API endpoints for backwards compatibility with old clients, but that’s all. The spec is standard and relatively stable.
Likewise, it is very much a federated protocol - dunno where you got the idea that it isn’t.
But, yeah, spec changes do take a while to get accepted/implemented.
QR code login is technically out, you just need to be running your own homeserver (and MAS) to use it.
But, yeah, exciting to finally have that.
Matrix does have all of that, though? Except for voice.
I use matrix/element for socializing and Mumble for voice chat while gaming.
To respond to each comment:
Element Call (aka the new MatrixRTC spec) is great for video calls, but leaves a lot to be desired for chatting while gaming.
From a chat standpoint, the two are near identical - yes - but Matrix lacks the “voice/video calls as persistent rooms” feature that Discord has. This was planned a while back, but has recently been pushed on the backburner[1] as they work on Element Call.
Early on Matrix was sort of being built up as an IRC/Discord alternative, but recently they’ve pivoted more towards a WA/Telegram/Slack alternative as most of their financial support comes from European governments and companies looking for strong and secure internal communication solutions they can manage themselves.
So, TL;DR you probably won’t see the exact Discord like features you want land in the spec any time soon as they’re not being funded.
So that means, right now:
Having said all that, Matrix is brilliant and I highly encourage people to check it out. I use a Matrix <-> Signal bridge for most of my comms with my friends, and we voice chat on Mumble. Not ideal, but you get to avoid Discord and you get a very similar experience! Bonus points for Mumble as it’s super lightweight.
~[1] It’s not really on the backburner so much as it’s something that will have to be worked on after the new VOIP stack - Element Call - is integrated in the wider Matrix ecosystem. There is an experimental “video rooms” feature, but that really isn’t the same as a native, persistent voice-only room.~
Agreed.
Re: “(…) fuck however they want it spelt.”
As a Turkish person, I’m with you on this.
If the Turkish government wants you to refer to Turkey as Türkiye, then they shouldn’t be allowed to call the US “Amerika Birleşik Devletleri”: they should be required to pronounce it United States of America.
Let’s see how they like it then, lol. “Yunayıted Sıtets af Amerika”, hah.
Those all sound shitty - granted, I’m pretty sure I don’t have Copilot on my system, but maybe it didn’t ask me during the upgrade? Either way - my original point still stands: all of these seem just as bad as Win10 (to me, a person who barely used either).
Don’t get me wrong, I’m really glad people are joining us on the Linux bandwagon, it just seems like the reasons for making the switch are almost arbitrary. Another way of putting it would be: "This is what finally pushed you over? ‘Copilot’?"
Anyway, regardless, I’m happy that people are making better choices - regardless of the reasons for doing so!
Been a Linux user for ages, I do have Windows 11 installed on another partition but I rarely - if ever - boot into it.
I mention the above spiel because I don’t understand what additional points people have against windows 11? It seems very similar to windows 10 for me - what’re the reasons for people hating it?
Genuinely not trying to be obtuse, here - I’m just wondering what the primary pain points are of win 11?
Is it the requirement for using a Microsoft account to log in vs. a normal local account? Or the one drive stuff? (upon install it did move most of my personal folders into a weird OneDrive directory, and I had to use the registry to wipe out OneDrive and move them back. Very annoying.)
Mumble existed then, and still exists now. Vent was literally never clean, it was always bloated and behind.
(sorry, I’m very passionate about the Vent vs. Ts vs. Mumble debacle of the early aughts)
It’s not about how easy it is to compile, my first point in my original comment was that they actively maintain an engine for Linux.
The install base is too low right now. Hopefully as our numbers grow we’ll have enough market impact to warrant pushing other store fronts.
Fortnite is great for Epic, but their debacle with Apple kind of proved that one popular game isn’t enough to push the public off one store front onto another.