Install your own from one of the parent distros: Debian, Fedora/openSUSE, sources (eg. Exherbo, Gentoo), the state-based one I always forget.

An atomic distro is one which is in my understanding, has a basis in libostree, right? I’m familiar with the Fedora/RedHat versions but not any others.

Immutable distributions, for me to are wonderful when they are sparse. I don’t want anything on my OS which I don’t use at least once on a while.

If I install Fedora (RPM) Workstation to a large extent I can remove programs that I don’t want. Whereas SilverBlue (libostree), I’m stuck with whatever the maintainers template (is there a blocking mechanism?).

However, with sparse Fedora-IoT, I can’t break it - to a large extent - and it doesn’t have anything I don’t want.

I always install minimal versions of OSs, from Fedora (Everything iso), to Debian (debootstrap) to ArchLinux to Exherbo to Talos, just keep them cleaner longer. Then I fix them until they break!

I think they’re ideal for those starting out in Linux because they are not ready to break; not saying that they’re not for others too.

There’s enough documentation, at least for Fedora atomic distros, to make your own custom spin.

I’m not switching for any desktop, unless the basic OS is minimal; but have switched for Raspberry Pi OS to Fedora IoT (atomic distro), at least temporarily.

I’m not criticising you. I cannot validity criticise you, even if I was so inclined (I’m not), because I cannot proficiently grasp the subject matter. I would like to understand, NOT criticise. You’ve written an engaging piece which is opaque to me; apparently a contradiction. Hopefully I’ve rephrased that enough times to get across that no criticism is intended. 😁

I don’t know the product names. I don’t tend to be focused on product names because they come and go. Your first message didn’t help me.

Your last precis is just what I needed. Ideal. Thank-you. I now know what you’re trying to achieve.

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Wasn’t being critical at all. Not expecting you to write for anyone.

I wondered what this actually provides. If you were explaining to someone with a good knowledge of the world, not grandma!!

Thanks fella. What do they actually do? Elevator pitch stylie!

Excuse the ignorance, what am I actually reading about here?

I read the first few paragraphs and an out of my league.

What are ‘we’ trying to achieve?

I live these old stories. Kinda gave up programming by 1996. It was a short-sighted thing to do!

Having grown up with Acorn Atoms. BBC Micro, MS and DRDOS, Gem, Xerox something, Windows 1, don’t remember 2, 3.0 to 3.11, NT. I didn’t realise how nice early (2004) Linux was until I used it in a Windows server hosted VM to handle my phone calls (VoIP@home or something it was called).

I did everything I could to ditch Windows after that. The webification of QuickBooks was the final release.

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You should go see Gentoo or something if ArchLinux causes you problems.

It’s my go-to rescue cum doing-backups cum new-install distribution because it’s clean (meaning low cruft), minimalist, and most importantly, rolling. I run it as a console OS. I adore it.

Have I run it as my Workstation OS? Yes. Would I again? No. It was too fragile then.

Pacman is too strange to use with the options reduced to letters and having to include the double dash every time you remember the long form. Gimme dnf, Aptitude or flatpak.

My daily driver is Fedora. Is my heart in my mouth every six months when 4,000 packages all need reinstalling? Yes.

Have I tried Debian Testing&Sid as semi-rolling? Yes, fantastic, until they did something weird with systemd instead of just doing the conf locations as intended like everyone else. And the weak-dependencies lists were unfunny. Did I mention I loved aptitude?!

Have I tried, source distros (exherbo, Gentoo, funtoo)? Yes, never got any work done. I was always compiling something for that 1% corner-case performance gain.

Don’t think I’ll try anything else save maybe openSUSE or that NixOS. The first seriously, the second for fun - NixOS smells a tiny bit like Gentoo or ArchLinux to me (sorry, not sorry).

Personally, I think bro needs an immutable Linux OS. Fedora SilverBlue, openSUSE MicroOS, the ArchLinux one.

Then someone needs to write a timer such that when he’s really concentrating hard at 2am, it stops and puts some graphical meme on the screen for three hours. Then he’ll feel at home.

Thank-you.

I’m not dealing with much more. Maybe twenty IoT devices in total but quite a few routines spread over Alexa and Smart Life.

Wow! That’s unexpected, because of the memory limitation. I have a Pi3 with Fedora IoT with a target on its back for a Home Assistant container. (I see another comment here notes 400MB of memory use so it seems much smaller than I expected.)

Could I ask how many devices it’s dealing with, or because I’m not running Home Assistant yet, whether routine number/complexity is a better metric? (That question went bad somewhere, excuse me.)

UniFi seem to have dabbled with 2.5 GBE briefly and then jumped to 10. I’m guessing that 10 will be the way to go.

You’re looking at cat 6A patch leads rather than 7. 7 requires different but RJ45 compatible connectors, I believe. Yes, I’m still trying to understand what the difference is.

I have a 2.5G router, the CG Max. A 1 G switch (waiting for a reasonably priced 10 G) and a 10 G WAP. It’s a bit of a mess!

One always minimises attack surfaces and the possibility of fat fingered mistakes. The lower privileges that you grant yourself the better.

You’d think that Dave Cutler who, I believe, designed Windows NT coming from a Unix style background would have followed these principles but no. I discovered *nix late sadly.

I don’t study Japanese. I suggested the most popular app.

Are you learning japanese? You might enjoy trying. Duolingo has a free tier which is annoying but the annual sub is reasonable (c. £60) if you look for offers.

Firefox will offer translations. On both sides.

Given the choice between not knowing an answer and having to translate it (using a built-in translator) I’d prefer the answer, but you could always use the translator for them even if the output is garbage-Japanese.

Taking offence is a choice.

Does one good to be challenged (at least) occasionally.

I learned something new.

😁

Good on you.

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I stand corrected. Thanks for the heads up… Really wasn’t expecting that.

Apologies to OP. I don’t know how to reference users: marauding_gibberish142@lemmybdzero