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  • Not every comparison is whataboutism.

    This particular comparison is one Zionists love to make to discredit the Palestinian cause, though, so I tend to view it with suspicion. That said, with the assumption that you’re talking in good faith I’ll try to address your point.

    This looks like more “Israel Bad” virtue signaling than it does helping Palestinians.

    Boycotting settlements is one way to either strongarm the Israeli government into not expanding settlements (which make no mistake are built with their blessing) or disincentivise their expansion by making it economically disadvantageous. To quote the article:

    Critics say that doing business in these areas normalises and provides revenue for these settlements. Support which has landed Airbnb on the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement’s list of international companies complicit with Israeli violations of Palestinian rights.

    Another quote:

    Sari Bashi, programme director at Human Rights Watch, said that, in allowing properties in Israeli settlements to be listed on their sites, “Airbnb and Booking.com are contributing to land grabs, crippling movement restrictions and even the forced displacement of Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem, abuses that Israeli authorities commit in order to maintain oppression and domination over Palestinians as part of the crime against humanity of apartheid”.

    This isn’t virtue signaling; it’s one of the few things someone in a Western country can do to help the Palestinian cause without getting into direct action. And how do you know it works? Because Zionists fucking hate it.

    Like I said before, if a large number of Native Americans launched a credible campaign (as in one with specific, achievable goals like “we want X land for Y reservation”), they’d also be well within their rights to call for a boycott on that land until their demands are fulfilled and at least I personally would support that boycott. The logic in your comparison works, but not in the way you’re implying.

    Edit: Aaand no reply.








  • Again, I won’t argue that colonial wealth didn’t contribute to the rise of Western Europe, but it was Europeans who invented the steam engine, developed thermodynamics as a science and put half a continent’s worth of resources and intellect into the industrial revolution. Colonialism is only a contributing factor that came after the start of the industrial revolution. Hell, France for example barely had any colonies during the early industrial revolution and that didn’t at all impede its industrialization or rise to power. If you look at, say, Ottoman history you’ll see that the thing European countries had and the Ottomans didn’t wasn’t wealth but rather ideas.

    Which is why many in the developing world feel that China’s rise to prominence is the West’s chickens coming home to roost.

    As someone from the developing world (specifically the Middle East), we are salty about colonialism, but many of us also recognize that if we don’t learn from the history of colonialism and what allowed Europe to conquer half the world (including us) we’ll always be on the bottom rung of the world. There’s a lot more to learn from the rise of Europe than “fuck colonialism”.




  • Honestly, not really. Colonialism made Western Europe wealthier for the time period, but it was investment in science and technology that gave the West the industrial and technological advantage that sets them aside from the rest of the world (other than China) today. There are very few non-Western non-China countries where appreciable heavy industry takes place that isn’t resource extraction-parallel like oil refinement. There are also very few non-Western non-China countries with the industrial capital and technological knowhow to, for example, make smartphones.

    You’ll notice that I keep including China as an exception here, which is because China noticed the importance of these things and went ahead to develop/steal these, and it’s because it was able to obtain these things that China is the global giant that it is today.